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with? d.c the so-called plan b was introduced this morning by house speaker john boehner. the proposal calls for tax hikes on households that make more than a million dollars. that would include small businesses. however, it didn't take long for the white house to announce its opposition to the plan. watch this. >> the alternative here, if you think about it in the so-called plan b is makes no sense. there is a opportunity to do
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something that has been set as a goal for a long time in washington, which is reach a bipartisan compromise on significant deficit reduction on the order of $4 trillion, when you take all the pieces of it and put them together. we are very close to being able to achieve that and the president has demonstrated obvious willingness to compromise and to move more than halfway. >> we're also learning house majority leader eric cantor said the house will have the votes necessary to pass the plan b, but let's be clear. he weather what's really obvious is that the president rejected the offer simply because it doesn't raise enough taxes. but the problem that i and other true conservatives have with boehner's plan b is that it punishes the very people responsible for creating jobs in the country. the speaker's falling directly into the president's class warfare trap instead of fighting for the principles that handed his party to the majority. he was sent to washington like all republicans, to reduce the size of government and cut
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taxes. not the opposite. as a result, i think it's time we go back to the drawing board and draft up a conservative solution to the so-called fiscal crisis which is generational theft, borrowing 46 cents of every dollar we spend. we'll call plan c, hannity's plan. joining me with unique insight to where things stand are three conservative members of the republican party, from capitol hill, congressman jason chaffetz. congressman tim gohmert. gentlemen, good to see you. >> thanks. >> congressman chaffetz, your reaction to plan b. what are you being told about the negotiations, because my interpretation is we were going to be three to one spending cuts to tax increases or revenue increases, now it's less than a dollar. what's going on? >> well, what we heard in the morning
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largest tax hikes we've ever had. if we do go with thiszv modifi, i think i would call it the modified plan b,%/gje# it woule of the largest tax deductions. we'll protect 99% of the people in this country from thisámñ%! massive tax hike. inm/ august, we already passede also v it did something, what e debt limit -- it didn't raise the debt limit even one dime. going to, by thishf% afternoon t had gone'cñ away, making it more palatable. we'll come along with cuts
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later. look, we cut ourselves, our own house bum jet over 11% over two years. that gives us the moral authority to say to every agency in the federal government, you're cutting your budget 11% and not only that, in 2009, it was the pelosi, reid, obama budget. and they spent more than a trillion dollars -- 1.5 or 6 trillion more than we brought in, which was around 2.2 or 3 trillion. so why can't we go back to their budget in 2008 and say, you know what? this was pelosi-reid budget. it's been around 2.4, 2.5 trillion. that cuts a trillion over where the president is. let's go to 2008. there is a number of solutions, but spending has got to come down. >> i agree. >> congressman, i agree with congressman gohmert. it's spending.
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the president is resistant. he wants tax increases and he wants to humiliate, in my opinion, republicans. the biggest danger i in the negotiations on plan a was that the president wanted four years of a blank check, then he's talking about the debt ceiling two years. and now there was talk maybe congressman boehner would give one year of a blank check to the president? tell me that's not true. >> sean, i'm afraid this is exactly the trap that the president would like us to walk into to get republicans to actually support a tax increase. over the weekend, we know the speaker offered a trillion dollars increase in revenues. i call that a tax increase. and put that on the table. if i was the president, i wouldn't have accepted either and said i want some more. now he wants the entire house to step into something which by the way, on may 23, nancy pelosi, after this vote, she said raise taxes on millionaires and we'd be satisfied with that. so i think this is a serious distraction from the real issue. it's spending.
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republicans should be for something. we should putt something on the floor, which is a serious attempt to address the problem with spending and put that in harry reid's map. >> let me ask you the following, because you guys have constitutional authority as it relates to the power of the purse. i would never give that up because i think it's really important that we need some adults in washington. so the question i have for all three of you is, would it be at this point, if a deal is not going to be reached, would it be good for the republicans to pass their own bill? congressman chaffetz, is it plan b, plan c? what is it going to be? >> in august we did pass a bill that is sitting this over in the senate that i think we all like. you look at what this modified version is, there is no increase -- >> we don't have that. this morning there was news maybe we would give them a two-year increase.
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there is no increase in the debt limit, which is what i think we need to do. we also need to make sure that 14 days from now, every single american is going to get a tax increase and if i can protect 99% of the people in this country from getting that tax increase, i want to do that. i think that's a responsible thing to do. >> gohmert, would you support that? >> when jay carney says he moved halfway on this thing, what you got to go back and see is the president demanded an extra $800 billion in tax increases. john boehner starts out and says okay, we'll do that. and what do they do? they move to 1.6 trillion in tax increases. >> wait a minute. >> the president doesn't want to deal. >> congressman gohmert, would you support what congressman chaffetzays he would support about the 99%? >> it doesn't look good to me. >> sean, i will not support the proposal. let's be clear, plan a is still
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underway. there is still negotiations going on at the white house. harry reid says this bill goes in nowhere, but it distracts us from the real problem. i think there is still american that think if you raise taxes on the rich, somehow that's going to solve a trillion dollars deficit problem. >> if we don't pass something, if we don't pass something in the next 14 days, every single american has a tax increase. it's $4 trillion to president obama. i want to prevent that. we need to cut taxes. that's why i think this modified plan b makes sense. >> if we don't cut spending, we're taxing our children and grandchildren. >> absolutely. >> that's ridiculous. >> thank you all for taking time out of your busy nights. appreciate it. when we come back, david limbaugh, juan williams on boehner's paltry negotiating skills. so what do they think of the speaker's plan b or modified plan b and then for the first time, the white house is on record about its plans they are going after gun rights. jay carney laid it all out. let's take a look at what is in store for the second amendment in this country.
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>> he is actively supportive of, for example, senator feinstein's stated intent to revive a piece of legislation that would reinstate the assault weapons ban
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>> i think we all know that every income tax filer in america is going to pay a higher rate coming january 1stiwl unles congress acts. so i believe it's important that we protect as manypfl americanñ taxpayers as we can. and our plan b would protect the americanw3 taxpayers who make a million dollars06 or less and 6 all of their current ratesbsl extended. >> sean: that was speaker boehner talking about protecting the taxpayers with his plan b. now it's a modified plan b. is that what the plan really does? here to debate that juan williams, author of the great destroyer, and david limbaugh is with us. if you go back, this is how far we've come in a year.
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go back to when the republicans were debate -- trying to get the nomination. tax increases. all said no. then it went 3-1. first itt5ñ was 4-1, 3-1.7sñ now we're literally at the point, a,áí)s&ion dollars in cut, but want more than a trillion in revenue. it's actually flipped and still obama won't support it. interest in supporting it. the democrats promised bush senior 3-1 in spending cuts and reneged. now we're in serious existential problems in our nationag
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the washington examiner and4[ talked about4c it being double counting. i'm a littled0 concerned with wt speaker boehner is doing. >> sean: i'm very concerned. i'm very concerned about what i'm reading, because it doesn't sound like he's standing on the principles. o!zdifferences, and if they're going to be a carbon copy of the democrats, that's problematic to me. juan,wn be noble to go off the fiscal cliff in january if the president's not serious about cutting spending. we're borrowing 46 cents of every dollar we now spend in washington. obama gave us $6 trillion in new debt, and it is estimated new debt in the next four years may be as<  high as $8.5 trillion.
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or go over the fiscal cliff. i think it would be the responsible thing to do because it's irresponsible what's going on now. >> you're talking about republican suicide. i want to protect the american people from all those tax hikes that you would impose on them and secondly, you talk about carbon copy, when did the american people, republicans or democrats, send leaders to washington who think that compromise and reason are out of fashion and that you must be a hard edged ideologue in order to justify -- >> wait a minute -- >> stop for a second. hard edged because i don't want to borrow or steal -- i'll use the word steal because i think it's accurate, 46 cents of every dollar we spend from our children. that's hard edge? >> i tell you what, first of all, there is not that big a difference right now between the proposal from speaker boehner and president obama. it's not a carbon copy, but what you see is they're trying to protect the economy. a lot of these things take place over a ten-year period, sean.
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they're trying to protect the very fragile economic recovery, make sure that people who are in need right now get the support they need -- >> david limbaugh, if they want to protect the economy, how about living within their means? >> you're doing the exact opposite formula, the exact opposite prescription. you need to be undertaking to protect the economy. the economy is weak, so you don't raise taxes on already struggling economy. and you don't crowd out the private sector by spending more money. you don't accumulate debt at a disturbing rate. obama is expanding government. i saw a stanford economist who just written a book who talked about the times that you really have retardation of economic growth is when government spending, the rate of government spending exceeds the rate of private spending and we saw that, we're seeing that right now and obama is proposing that we double down on that. you expand the government spending, you crowd out the private sector -- >> david, that's not right.
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>> reduce growth. >> what you're talk being is sending us over the fiscal cliff and at the same time, steering off -- no! >> by telling them that the government is cutting back on every kind of spending and contractor in the nation! you're asking for catastrophe. >> you want to tax 70% of the businesses that provide 70% of the jobs, juan. >> we're trying to -- democrats are trying to protect 98% from tax hikes increases and you want to tax everybody. >> we got to take a break. we'll come back more with juan and david. they'll stay with us and it is supposed to be a relief bill for desperate sandy storm victims. but congress is not about to let a good strategy go to waste so they're packing this with billions of pork and it's nothing to do with the hurricane. we'll have the latest on that
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fox news alert. "new york times" is reporting that the independent inquiry into the benghazi attacks that killed four americans that the state department is at fault. according to the times, the report, quote, criticizes the state department for a lack of seasoned security personnel and relying on untested local militia to safeguard the compound. the ap is reporting that secretary of state hillary clinton will accept 29 suggestions from the review board. this information comes just days before secretary clinton was supposed to testify on capitol hill about what she knew in regards to the terrorist attack and when. but she was forced to cancel because she's reportedly recovering from a concussion. we continue with david limbaugh
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and juan williams. lot of unanswered questions there. we'll be looking into that report in the days to come. juan, the president of the united states is supposed to lead. he gave us 6 trillion in new debt in his first term. he's on track a trillion dollars deficits as far as the eye can see. this whole discussion has been about one thing, raising taxes. when will he restrain his impulse to spend more than he takes in? >> but sean, one of the big compromises offered by the president this past weekend was to what they call the chain cpi, try to limit the rate at which we see the increase in spending on the entitlement programs in the country. that was a huge concession and you don't even acknowledge it. >> why is that a concession, juan? why is that a concession? when it's in the best interest of the nation? why is the rate of growth --
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>> david, it does what you want. it slows the rate of spending on the social entitlement programs. >> but it shouldn't be considered a concession for obama to do what is unarguably in the best interest of the nation. the gop shouldn't have to give up leverage by getting obama to be reasonable and to move off his destructive position. so obama doesn't get points for doing som reasonable. >> wait a minute, david. he's doing something that has been requested by the gop and then you say you don't get credit because that -- >> no, he gets discredits -- >> it's about growing from the far right and bunch of house tea party republicans don't really want bain tore negotiate with the president. they think -- >> we want real spending cuts. real entitlement reform, and real tax reform. obama is doing everything against the interest of the nation and to save our financial picture. he has leverage. i think i'm the only person in
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the nation who believes we leverage. >> see, i agree with you, david. i think the republicans have a far better hand and they cannot give away the issue that the president has a blank check. they've got to maintain their constitutional authority. for me, the issue, juan, is baseline budgeting. we in washington, if you reduce the rate of increase from 9% projected growth to 7%, they call it a cut. no american does math this way. this is what i liked about the penny plan by connie mac. you freeze spending at current levels. you cut one penny out of every dollar. do you it across the board. you can balance the budget in six years. and you can still maintain economic growth. but that's not acceptable to washington. republicans or democrats seemingly at this time. >> because it's not real. >> sure, it's real. >> you can't maintain check growth and imagine, where are the cuts coming? >> across the board. >> look, you can't have -- >> one penny out of every dollar. >> what the president is too
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long just recently was protecting the veterans and the disabled, saying we've got to do something -- >> so if we cut one penny, i hate veterans and the disabled? >> listen, juan,'s not protecting the middle class or disabled because he's presiding over and cause ago destructive economy that is in perpetual anemic state. he's killing the middle class. he's not protecting it. >> david, the president has a plan on the table that would protect the middle class from any tax hikes, 98%. it's republicans who say we don't want to raise taxes on the very rich. one more thing to say to you, remember, 74% of the american people say this should be a combination of tax increases and spending cuts. >> david? >> you don't protect the middle class by increasing the dependency cycle, reducing the work force, decreasing labor participation rate, increasing
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taxes that kills economic growth, and refusing to reform entitlementment. this is not the fault of the rich and there is no tax cut on the table. we're only talking about extending rate and increasing rates to punish the rich. the rich, juan, didn't cause this problem. politicians and them wanting to acquire power and use other people's money is what caused this problem. and obama has taken this country for a joy ride and he's taken it for a wreck. >> wait a second! >> hang on. let's folk on what david said here. when we have 60 trillion dollars in debt and borrowing 46 cents of every dollar and stealing from our kids, i don't understand why there is not this urgency on your side to stop doing that. 'cause to me, it's morally bankrupt to take money not only that we don't have now, but we're forcing this debt on our kids. where is your moral imperative to say cut spending, live within
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your means? where is that from the democratic party? >> sean, what i say is people do have this imperative. people are saying we're going to slow down the rate of growth of these programs, the whole notion of -- >> still borrowing 40 cents of every dollar. >> you can't do this in a rash manner that would crash the american economy. >> no! we will crash from debt. >> speaker boehner is trying to make a deal. you don't want a deal apparently. >> juan, obama wants more stimulus! by the way, stimulus crowds out the private sector. it doesn't work! >> you guys put words on the books, social spending and still don't want to acknowledge you helped crash the economy. >> $139,000 per household, we're in debt. stop this penning, juan. get on obama! he's your buddy. >> we got to go. good to see you. coming up, the white house makes its first move on limiting gun owners' rights. but this is just the tip of the
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>> all right so while president obama and house speaker john boehner struggle to make a deal to avert the fiscal cliff we are reminded why we are in the situation in the first place. now in the senate 60 billion dollar sandy relief package there are millions an millions of dollars allocated for ridiculous project completely unrelated to the storm. let's take a look. we start with a whopping 150 million of your taxpayer dollars for fishery. that's right. fishery. 41 million dollars for u.s. military base repair including gitmo. how does that help the
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people in new york new jersey and long island. over 15 million dollars for justice department facilities and equipment repairs. also 15 million dollars for nasa including repair at the kennedy space center in florida? and two million dollars for roof damage at the smithsonian building in washington. only the beginning. proof of more washington waste. here with reaction the co-host of the fox business network. sir, no wonder why we can't these people still wait fog for the money they are using politic in this. can you pass a single piece of legislation in america today which is a spending bill without loading it up with extra items to satisfy senators who are not medley involved in that particular vote. >> no. >> no you can not. can you get elected in america today by saying no we are not +g:ry![8+oe-6]>l[d34
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they are missing an opportunity to be a party bold color differences as reagan said.
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>> you saw some of them today start to splinter off. it's a very, very small needle that boehner is trying to thread. i don't know if he will be able to do it. >> merry christmas to both of you. >> merry christmas that was fu fun. >> good to see you. >> white house puts the plan for gun owners on the record. so what does that mean for you and second amendment get that it next. hollywood showing the hypocracy foxx says the film industry does bear responsibility in tragedy like sandy hook elementary but i bet he cashed in for the new extremely violent movie. that extremely violent movie. that and more straight ahead. ember -- what starts with adding a friend... ♪ ...could end with adding a close friend. the lexus december to remember sales event is on. this is the pursuit of perfection. can i still ship a gift in time r christmas? yeah, sure you can. great. where's your gift? uh... whew.
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>> jay, as an illinois state legislator, the president supported quite restrictive gun measures. as president he's only signed into law legislation that allows guns in national parks and not on amtrak trains and checked luggage. >> the president's positions have been beyond what you cited. i'm sure that was an oversight, but including the support for reinstatement of the assault weapons ban. his support for closing the so-called gun show loop hole which allows people to buy weapons without going through the background checks that are standard when you purchase from a retailer. >> joining me with reaction, former governor of maryland, robert ehrlich and democratic strategist michael brown. governor, i'll start with you. would this legislation, if it hasn't passed, would it have done anything in this tragedy.
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>> probably not, shawn, and the issues here are very complex, obviously. mental illness is a major issue here, part of this entire story as is school security. the appropriate school security measures that need to be undertaken as is gun control. obviously the press is going to focus on gun control at this time. >> michael, do we really want to find an answer, or is this just exploiting as gerald nadler said a tragedy for political gain? if we really want to look for answers, shouldn't we be looking at parenting issues, mental health issues, widespread distribution of drugs, maybe values, god in the classroom, talking about these things in school? should we be looking at those if we want this national discussion? >> violent videos should be thrown in there, too, sean. >> i think we're probably going to agree on all of these issues. i don't think there's a silver
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bullet. i think all of these issues have to be addressed. all of these issues have to be on the table to make sure these tragedies don't continue to happen. i think part of it is the dialogue we're having now which is to agree on how we figure this stuff out without the politics of it. clearly some of the things we're doing here in the district of columbia, we're one of the top rated folks relative to the brady report on gun restriction. it's not just about the guns, it's also about the a ammunitio. we've done a really good job of making sure you can't sell or buy those multi-bullet clips. the question is do you need a multi-bullet clip in an urban environment, or do hunters even need a multi-bullet clip. i think those are some of the things we also have to put on the table to discuss. >> our founders and framers never talked about hunting. they talked about actually as a necessity for freedom that we should have an armed citizenry. >> also, the measures that
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impact crime, that's really the bottom line here. what's effective? what truly goes to the bottom line, and michael, i really appreciate the tone and tenor of your comments here. the last thing we need to do is get overly political at this time. everybody is hurting. it's incomprehensible. the country is mourning. there are three very important issues that we need to debate rationally and reasonable. >> governor, why haven't we heard only about gun control. we're learning one of the main reasons reporting tonight is this kid was apparently thinking his mother was going to commit him, and this kid obviously had mental health issues that were not being addressed. as a responsible gun owner, all my adult life, michael, i learned how to shoot at age 11. i've had a pistol carry permit for more than half of my adult life. how somebody with this illness could have access to any guns is
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incomprehensible to me. >> measures that keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, that is complete common ground. >> absolutely. >> for both sides of the debate. >> i agree whole heartedly, michael. none of these things in this instance, none of what is being proposed solves this, michael. that's what tells me this is being politicized. >> i certainly hope not. you'll always have some level of a political dimension, but hopefully cooler heads will prevail and we can start to figure out and have honest conversations. keep in mind it's not just issues of mass shootings but in urban america, all across the country, every single night we have people getting shot and so we have to figure out how we deal with those issues, too. i mean, it's a comprehensive strategy we have to talk about openly and honestly. >> those guns are illegal. they didn't go through the background check, didn't follow the laws we have which tells me maybe more laws isn't the
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answer. we gotta have better enforcement. >> and we have to talk about school security, too. >> it would help to get some of the guns off the street. >> they did that in australia. violent crime went up ... by a lot. we'll talk about that another day. guys, good to see you, thank you, both. >> happy holidays. >> merry christmas. coming up, you're looking at one of the most violent movies coming to a theater near you. the star behind it, jamie foxx claims hollywood is to blame behind the tragedies like sandy hook. will he forego his paycheck from this ultra violent film? that and more coming up next.
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>> sean: in the wake of the newtown shooting, hollywood's biggest stars are bidding that the film industry does, in fact, bear some responsibility for tragedies like this one. this weekend left wing actor jamie foxx said, quote, we cannot turn our back and say that violence in films or anything that we do doesn't have a sort of influence, it does. now, that's ironic. in fact, you know, what mr. foxx had said, he said this while promoting a brand new movie, jango unchained. does he mean it, and if so, will he say no thanks to the paycheck. here with reaction, tamara and
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nicole. >> they fly in private jets and complain about suvs and greenhouse gases. they have armed guards, but then complain about people who arm themselves. >> it's the same thing that michael moore did when he came out and he had a film on down with capitalism but yet profited off it. it's the same thing. >> it's not the same thing. he's basically saying that hollywood does have an influence in our culture. for example, jaws. it came out a hundred years ago when i was a little kid. now, what is there? there's a jaws ride at disneyland. it used to be such a terribly violent movie. there's an influence in our culture that these movies play out in video games and rides in disneyland. sure, if you don't want your kid to watch it, fine. your kid will be exposed to some level of violence at some point in their lifetime. >> sean: look, i don't have a problem with adult movies.
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i have watched them. >> what kind of adult movies, sean. >> not that one. >> sean: i stepped right in the middle of that. i don't have a problem with adult-themed movies, not the ones you're thinking about. in other words, i go to the movies, but there's certain movies -- this now comes to parenting. on the one hand they can't complain about violence in movies and its influence on the culture and blame gun owners and take money on this. >> this has been made a political issue. there is no reason, first of all, parenting starts at home. >> then how are you blaming hollywood if parenting starts at home? >> guess what, sister. i am not. >> don't call me sister. i'm a professional here. don't call me sister. we're having a professional conversation. >> i understand. i'm not blaming hollywood. just the opposite. i do not think that it -- it's the film that is causing this. >> sean: why are you so mad
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about her calling you sister? i'm kidding, go ahead. >> it's a sisterly thing. >> the problem is that you're upset because jamie foxx comes out and acknowledges that there is a problem in hollywood or there is a problem in our society as a whole. >> and then takes money from it. >> that is his job. he takes money because he's an actor. >> if he doesn't believe it, he shouldn't profit from it. >> sean: hang on a second. wait a minute. hollywood actors that complain about guns shouldn't have -- >> he wasn't complaining about it. >> >> sean: let me finish my thought. they shouldn't complain about -- they shouldn't have armed bodyguards. if they're complaining about people in suvs and greenhouse gases, get out of your private jet, michael moore, and lear jet limlimousines. >> they travel many places throughout the country. >> sean: i travel many places. >> and you travel in a private jet, i heard. >> i travel commercially, too, tamara. i'm not lecturing the country on taking away suvs. >> it's about hypocracy.


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